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riso


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Thank you nick s for confirming this.
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tzuk


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riso wrote:
Is there any type of work around with this other than disabling this part of AVG?


As a workaround this may be your only option.
For a proper fix, I will look into this and see what I can do in Sandboxie about this incompatibility.

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riso


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Thank you for your reply and checking into this issue.
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I disabled that part of avg and im still getting the same problem i think its just sandboxie and it dont work if anyone can help me get it working i would apreciate it cheers.
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On my system I have to disable the AVG Safe Search in Firefox, not the AVG interface. When I do this my system runs fine with no problems.
Hope this helps.
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Ill give it a try roso cheers.
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Thanks tzuck and riso this seems to work now i wonder why it does it though its also ashame that u cant use the Avg Safe search and Avg toolbar though or can you use the avg toolbar and just not the safe search thank you guys Cheers Dman.
Out of Memory Error - Sandboxie + AVG = Issue
MrELB


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I installed Sandboxie today. Everything seemed to work as promised except that after about 20-30 minutes of surfing I repeatedly received the error SBIE2305 - Out of Memory.

Clicking the link to the error description provided little to go on, as it basically said, "The virtual space created by Sandboxie is full." I wasn't sure whether this was ordinary (the program creates a limited space), something that could be adjusted via settings (bump up the memory allocation), or something wrong with my system.

Two threads here pointed to the issue:
1. http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
2. http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6430&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Both reference AVG anti-virus — mainly the second, which also references the first. And, what a coincidence — it just so happens that I installed AVG anti-virus today as well.

And I ended up uninstalling AVG. First, because the above threads strongly suggested it was the probable culprit behind Sandboxie's error. Second, because I noticed that once it was on my PC, my hard drive was far more active than normal and I had a new entry in my Task Manager called System that took up approximately 80k in memory usage. I researched online about it and found that others had the exact same experience with AVG.

Right now, I'm running three Sandboxie'd windows with FireFox in them, and Task Manager shows Firefox.exe at a quite steady 65k. Admittedly, this isn't a true test since I'm not surfing actively now as I was earlier.

I'll report back if the memory issue presents itself again (then I'll truly be stumped). But for now the mixture of Sandboxie and AVG seems problematic. One of the above threads points to settings one can adjust in Firefox to eliminate the issue — notably, without getting rid of AVG. That's worth taking under advisement, however, again, my issues with AVG extended beyond its compatibility with Sandboxie.

I'm no tech expert, so if anyone has further insight into these problems, I welcome the input.

Thanks,

ELB
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Cadillakin


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Mr ELB,

Just my opinion - and many will disagree, but if you use Sandboxie effectively, as I suggested in another thread, you won't need memory-resident AV protection. When my daughter got our home machines infected, we had AV protection (AVG) on the computers.. It did no good at all against the malware. Yeah, AVG recognized some aspects of the malware, but couldn't do a damn thing to stop it. It might as well have thrown up a "surrender flag," and handed over our machines to the malware and those who were controlling it.

I have three scanners that I occasionally use, T3, ClamAV and Anti-Malware - all freeware. On my browser toolbar, I have Jotti Virusscan bookmarked. So, if something raises my suspicions, I can scan it here with those mentioned, or scan it with Jotti, or both.. In any event, that's 20 scanners or so.. plus Sandboxie. Some of these guys in the security newsgroups have everything under the sun on their machines. They're like little kids - always looking for another toy to make them happy... I don't see the point. The software employed by many of them uses way too many resources, often causing conflicts, and it is many times redundant - protection protecting the protection - and non-effective. I've never had a single issue or conflict with Sandboxie.

I don't think I'm the least bit vulnerable protecting our home machines with a firewall, Sandboxie, some non-resident scanners, and some backup tools. The only thing running resident is Sandboxie. I feel I can handle anything with Sandboxie at the forefront.

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MrELB


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Cadillakin, I'm with you.

I only installed AVG Anti-Virus because I read that "total protection" consists of a sandbox program like Sandboxie (which not nearly enough people are actually running), a software Firewall, a hardware Firewall and an anti-virus program...like AVG.

Honestly, while I've had issues -- not too many, but definitely issues (some very vexing, as with SmitFraud-C) -- with Malware, viruses have never been a problem.

In any case, I'm going with Sandboxie and Windows Firewall at the moment. We'll see how I do. If anyone recommends anything else that will play nice with my machine, great, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

And, yes, I also have many good resources at the ready should I become infected with whatever: Malwarebytes Anti-Malware, Spyhunter, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Blaster, Driver Sweeper, Spybot Search and Destroy...and TrendMicro's online virus scanner, Housecall. A veritable cornucopia, an arsenal of anti-malware applications.

And not a one of them as foolproof as Sandboxie. With it, I don't even need to clean out my temporary folders.

- ELB
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tzuk


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nick s wrote:
I can confirm a memory problem when combining AVG 9 + a forced sandboxed FireFox 3.5.3 on XP SP3. Default settings all around.

Firefox's working set after 10 minutes with about 25 sandboxed tabs loaded...


I need some advice on how to reproduce the problem. I've installed AVG 9 Internet Security Trial on XP SP 2. Did not touch any options. Then I start a sandboxed Firefox and load 20 tabs, twice, for a total of 40 tabs.

Process Explorer shows some numbers going back and forth and eventually stabilize at about 250-300K Virtual Size and 150K Working Set.

Any advice for me how I might see the numbers going up to 1GB ?
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nick s wrote:
I can confirm a memory problem when combining AVG 9 + a forced sandboxed FireFox 3.5.3 on XP SP3. Default settings all around.

Firefox's working set after 10 minutes with about 25 sandboxed tabs loaded...


I need some advice on how to reproduce the problem. I've installed AVG 9 Internet Security Trial on XP SP 2. Did not touch any options. Then I start a sandboxed Firefox and load 20 tabs, twice, for a total of 40 tabs.

Process Explorer shows some numbers going back and forth and eventually stabilize at about 250-300K Virtual Size and 150K Working Set.

Any advice for me how I might see the numbers going up to 1GB ?


When it happened to me, I was watching a video on YouTube.
riso


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Since my last question I have updated Firefox to 3.5.4 and AVG to 9.0.700 and I still have the same problem.
Again, if I disable the AVG Safe Search in Firefox I will have the memory increase until SB crashes.
What specific information would you need to know please?
I have the following:
XP Pro with SP3
AVG (the only realtime security that I have, the rest are on demand only)
No real “tweaks” to the two systems, basically all have default settings
One system is a Pentium D and the other is an AMD, both approx 2 years old. (2 gigs RAM for both)
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tzuk


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Well, for one thing, I don't see anything called AVG Safe Search. The closest thing I have is AVG Search-Shield, in the LinkScanner section of the settings. Do I have the right product? It says AVG Internet Security at the top left corner, and the lower-right corner says version 9.0.663.

I also used Firefox 3.5.4 in my test, and loaded 40 tabs, at what point was I supposed to see drastic memory consumption? Because I waited around 10 minutes and like I said the numbers remained in the 200K-300K range.
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riso


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I have AVG antivirus.
The AVG Safe Search should be under TOOLS, ADD-ONS, and EXTENSIONS in Firefox.
I don’t know how to send a screenshot, but I have one if that will help. Sorry, I will need someone to tell me how to post it. (I,245,772K is generally the range when my system crashes)
Please let me know if I can send any other info to help in this issue.

I assume at this point the problem is only with specific hardware/configurations since I have not seen or heard of others seeing this. Your program runs great when the safe search is turned off, so from this point that is what I am going to do.

Again, when I turn of the Linkscanner and Webshield in the AVG interface, this does not effect the problem. I have to turn off the Safe Search in the browser.

Thank you.
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