Sandboxie Forum - Sandboxie on Windows 8! (11471) http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=11471 en-us 90 Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:58 pm Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:58 pm TheEndX: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83279#83279 Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:58 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83279#83279 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Sorry to hear your audio issues are still present in version 3.74. Perhaps the workaround from nuhi can help here? Open Sandbox Settings > Resource Acesss > Window Access, click Add and enter * (a single wildcard star). ]]> Yep, tried that and still no audio. ... I found a fix after more testing. I have to clear the contents of my sandboxes that were left over from my Windows 7 install. Once I clear them, sound starts working in that sandbox again. Thanks for the help tzuk. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83271#83271 Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:39 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83271#83271 Sorry to hear your audio issues are still present in version 3.74. Perhaps the workaround from nuhi can help here? Open Sandbox Settings > Resource Acesss > Window Access, click Add and enter * (a single wildcard star). TheEndX: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83267#83267 Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:19 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83267#83267 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Thank you for the problem reports about audio issues in Windows 8. Please check if the official release (version 3.74) fixes your problem. ]]> Yes I still have the audio issues. No sound in sandboxed programs. However, the problem with IE embedded content causing an error has been solved for me. nuhi: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83265#83265 Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:30 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83265#83265 tzuk, the issue of hanging video still occurs to me in 3.74. Found out that it is about the Windows Access. Added this to INI section: [code:1:82ef217ff2]OpenWinClass=*[/code:1:82ef217ff2] And it is fine now, but of course this is not the sollution, just a temporary workaround. Please let me know if I can help debugging the cause. Thanks. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83256#83256 Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:01 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83256#83256 Thank you for the problem reports about audio issues in Windows 8. Please check if the official release (version 3.74) fixes your problem. TheEndX: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83229#83229 Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:11 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83229#83229 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Pleae see if enabling the following checkbox fixes your audio problem: Sandbox Settings > Restrictions > Hardware Access > Permit programs to manage hardware device configuration ]]> Followed that, still no sound in sandboxed programs. As an example, sandboxed Windows Media Player says "Windows Media Player cannot play the file because there is a problem with your sound device. There might not be a sound device installed on your computer, it might be in use by another program, or it might not be functioning properly." (Windows 8 Pro RTM 64bit) nuhi: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83216#83216 Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:17 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83216#83216 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Thanks for the problem report. I also see "Internet Explorer has stopped working" when visiting a page with Flash content, but then I click the message away, and IE seems to open the page correctly, the second time. And I can get audio from the sandboxed browser. Pleae see if enabling the following checkbox fixes your audio problem: Sandbox Settings > Restrictions > Hardware Access > Permit programs to manage hardware device configuration ]]> Hi, I am having similar issue in Firefox: when I hover with a mouse over flash video, e.g. Youtube, UI hangs, sound continues. In other words Firefox becomes unresponsive. Running outside of the sandbox does not have this issue, and I tried your proposed workaround above, unfortunatelly did not help. Thanks. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83213#83213 Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:37 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83213#83213 Thanks for the problem report. I also see "Internet Explorer has stopped working" when visiting a page with Flash content, but then I click the message away, and IE seems to open the page correctly, the second time. And I can get audio from the sandboxed browser. Pleae see if enabling the following checkbox fixes your audio problem: Sandbox Settings > Restrictions > Hardware Access > Permit programs to manage hardware device configuration TheEndX: Sound http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83204#83204 Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:04 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83204#83204 I'm having a few issues with .08 -In Internet Explorer, I receive a "Internet Explorer has stopped working" prompt when I go to a page with embedded content. Pressing Close program recovers the tab and the embedded content then works fine. -Sandboxed applications cannot play sound. Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83190#83190 Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:09 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83190#83190 The crashes come from ATI 12.8 Drivers. Sandboxie WORKS FINE !!! Anyway thanks for your help !!!! tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83148#83148 Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:39 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83148#83148 You experience the same crashes when not using Sandboxie? So that would mean that the crashes are not caused by Sandboxie, right? Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83140#83140 Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83140#83140 I have the crashes and without sandboxie. I' m using a stable version of Firefox. Thanks for your help !! tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83134#83134 Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:24 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83134#83134 Do you think the crash happens as a result of something you do, or just a random crash after using Firefox for a while? Also are using a stable version of Firefox or a beta? Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83100#83100 Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:12 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83100#83100 I have another problem now, firefox crashes after a while when using sandboxie. Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83094#83094 Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:33 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83094#83094 Ok thanks !! Now works ok !! tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83089#83089 Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:53 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83089#83089 Jon7. Your default browser is not really Firefox. Use "Default Programs" in Windows to fix that. And read this topic: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13475 Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83087#83087 Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:48 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83087#83087 I double click sandboxed web browser and it doesn't start. After a while opens internet explorer with no internet and my default browser is Firefox !! Max100: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83081#83081 Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:03 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83081#83081 ]]>Quoting Jon7: ]]>3.81.7 no working at all with windows 8 RTM x64. ]]> Could you be more specific? Jon7: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83079#83079 Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:29 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83079#83079 3.81.7 no working at all with windows 8 RTM x64. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83074#83074 Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:07 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83074#83074 Oops, fixed the typo. ah_ah thanks for the heads up. Not sure I'll try to fix this now though. I don't plan for more than preliminary support for Windows 8 initially, and version 3.81.07 already accomplishes that, I believe. Max100: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83072#83072 Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:25 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83072#83072 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Version 3.81.07 supports Windows 7 RTM build 9200. ]]> You made a little typo there. :) ah_ah: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83068#83068 Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:29 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83068#83068 Hi Tzuk, Just informing you when I am trying to open Netflix.com, IE crashed it gives me an error (The instruction at 0x77de5cc2 referenced memory at 0x00e005c.The memory could not be read). Also doesn't have a sound when trying to stream a movies at Netflix using sandbox Chrome or IE. I'm using Windows 8 64bit (9200 build) and Sandboxie beta 3.81.07. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83054#83054 Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:06 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83054#83054 Version 3.81.07 supports Windows 8 RTM build 9200. Thanks for the link to the trial version, Desko. As it happens, earlier builds of Sandboxie did in fact not work on the 64-bit RTM build 9200, and adjustments were necessary. jayrodathome: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83022#83022 Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:45 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=83022#83022 I dunno. I think they are more targeting the mobile/touch panel demo. Mac obviously has no problems throwing legacy out the window but their OS has been pretty much the same as far as GUI is concerned as far back as I can remember. Still has apple menu/status bar/Applications folder. etc.. They have added "features" like launchpad and mac app store. Launchpad would be the closest to the new windows GUI I can think of and it's hardly forced on mac. I never even use it bc i'm so used to the keyboard commands and search functions for accessing applications. After using this new windows for about a week now I am used to it. But I get myself out of "metro" as soon as I can because It bugs me. It's also hard to use. You have to right click then move your mouse down and select a button called "all apps" in order to see a fully expanded what used to be start menu. Hitting the window key simply brings you to metro. You can hit the window key and start typing and it will search (thank god) All in all only issues i'm really having with it is getting other software to work like my video card which took some investigation and now sanxboxie. I do like how the desktop windows change color with your background. It's pretty neat. Good luck!. hopefully we see sandboxie on w8 soon!! Desko: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=82970#82970 Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:31 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=82970#82970 final windows 8 download link : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx kirkyeehee: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=82913#82913 Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:58 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=82913#82913 I can tell you from personal use. The final build of Windows 8 is a lot different from those pics. It's basically windows 7 but with a different start menu. After you get your gadgets installed it's almost exactly the same as windows 7, but faster. A lot faster. Upper and lower right corners work for stuff like file searches, turning power on and off, PC settings Start menu (bottom left corner corner for start window as well and the windows button also goes there) Upper left corner for apps you've opened for quick access (like email and other stuff like that) You can customize the start window however you want as well A lot more fluid then the start menu is. I honestly hated Windows 8 at first, until I learned how to use it. Once you learn, it's a lot better than 7 is. My only downfall currently is that Sandboxie doesn't work with it (the one I had installed anyway, couldn't even uninstall it properly) and my ATI graphics card has issues with windows 8. I'm just waiting on ATi for put out some new drivers for it. [color=darkblue:06581557ea][/color:06581557ea] bobbintb: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80850#80850 Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:13 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80850#80850 ]]>Quoting Buster: ]]>I hope Microsoft includes a GUI for men. ]]> i would just be happy with a gui for non-idiots. wwwin: does not run http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80100#80100 Sat May 12, 2012 11:32 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80100#80100 ]]>Quoting auxcon: ]]>I just installed Sandboxie successfully on Windows 8 Consumer Preview. Yes, the current version of Sandboxie checks the OS version and therefore rejects Windows 8. But before you run the Sandboxie installer, if you right-click, go to Properties, Compatibility, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and select Windows 7. For good measure I also checked "Run this program as an administrator" though I'm not sure this is necessary if you are already logged in as an admin. Sandboxie successfully installed. ]]> So what is the point of installing if the driver does not load and you cannot run or use the program? Thundermitty: Windows 8: Consumer Preview doesn't work with Sandboxie 3.68 http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80087#80087 Sat May 12, 2012 7:50 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=80087#80087 Windows 8: Consumer Preview doesn't work with Sandboxie 3.68 or Sandboxie 3.69.02 beta. I'm using Windows 8: Consumer Preview (64 bit) Here's what happens when you try to install it: http://i.imgur.com/08O0K.png Sandboxie can only be installed on the following versions of Microsoft Windows: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 4), Windows XP, Windows 2003, Windows Vista, Windows 7. Please update Sandboxie so that it works with Windows 8. auxcon: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=78902#78902 Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:05 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=78902#78902 I just installed Sandboxie successfully on Windows 8 Consumer Preview. Yes, the current version of Sandboxie checks the OS version and therefore rejects Windows 8. But before you run the Sandboxie installer, if you right-click, go to Properties, Compatibility, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and select Windows 7. For good measure I also checked "Run this program as an administrator" though I'm not sure this is necessary if you are already logged in as an admin. Sandboxie successfully installed. HungryMan: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74233#74233 Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:44 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74233#74233 Right now it's a Developer preview. The beta is scheduled for January and the release in August. Tzuk can start working on it whenever he likes =p but HungryMan: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74210#74210 Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:42 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74210#74210 Hit the Windows key + E. Or pin explorer. Or pin explorer to your start menu (the new full page start menu.) This is about as big a change as moving from XP to Vista/7. Nbdy: Documents, Pictures, Videos http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74209#74209 Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:00 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=74209#74209 With the new touchpad screen start menu... you lose the ability to simply navigate to your Documents, Pictures, Videos, Downloads, etc. without going first into windows explorer thru some other route. HungryMan: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72512#72512 Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:03 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72512#72512 Yes, the security enhancements in Windows 8 are very nice. Changes to the kernel means changes to Sandboxie as well. steamer: Some "new" windows 8 security features http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72511#72511 Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:39 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72511#72511 I found a post at www.askvg.com which discusses some of the new security in Windows 8 - a lot of it is boilerplate like "enhanced windows defender" but there was some meat in the post: >Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR). ASLR was first introduced in Windows Vista and works by randomly shuffling the location of most code and data in memory to block assumptions that the code and data are at same address on all PCs. In Windows 8, Microsoft extended ASLR’s protection to more parts of Windows and introduced enhancements such as increased randomization that will break many known techniques for circumventing ASLR. >Windows kernel. In Windows 8, Microsoft brings many of the mitigations to the Windows kernel that previously only applied to user-mode applications. These will help improve protection against some of the most common type of threats. For example, Microsoft now prevents user-mode processes from allocating the low 64K of process memory, which prevents a whole class of kernel-mode NULL dereference vulnerabilities from being exploited. Microsoft also added integrity checks to the kernel pool memory allocator to mitigate kernel pool corruption attacks. >Windows heap. Applications get dynamically allocated memory from the Windows user-mode heap. Major redesign of the Windows 8 heap adds significant protection in the form of new integrity checks to help defend against many exploit techniques. In addition, the Windows heap now randomizes the order of allocations so that exploits cannot depend on the predictable placement of objects—the same principle that makes ASLR successful. Microsoft also added guard pages to certain types of heap allocations, which helps prevent exploits that rely on overrunning the heap. >Internet Explorer. For Windows 8, Microsoft implemented guards in Internet Explorer to prevent an attacker from crafting an invalid virtual function table, making these attacks more difficult. Internet Explorer will also take full advantage of the ASLR improvements provided by Windows 8. Probably means some work for Tzuk! HungryMan: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72505#72505 Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:43 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72505#72505 Yikes. I see a lot fo stuff in here... as someone who is runnign Windows 8 Dev as his main OS (and only) I think I'll take it upon myself to answer some questions and clear somethings up. [quote:bd5a174fb5]D1G1T@L wrote: So a few questions: Did you get this thru a leak or official channel? What is bitbox from your last shot, is this a preinstalled app? What is the performance of this version, is it bloated or faster than win7? [/quote:bd5a174fb5] Same as that guy, official channel. As he said, many tiles aren't working yet. It's lighter than 7, I use about 700MB on startup with virtually no tweaking. The UI is also FULLY hardware accelerated so switching between your desktop and metro is instant and flawless. The new filesystem will also bring around better performance. [quote:bd5a174fb5] From what I read in another article, apparently the idea with the start button displaying the Metro grid rather than the start menu, is to get you to put your shortcuts/programs on the Metro grid? So rather than the current workflow of click Start button -> select something from Start menu, you click Start button -> select something from Metro grid. What do you think? [/quote:bd5a174fb5] This is in fact exactly correct. The standard UI is virtually identical to Windows 7, almostno difference at all. It's once you try to go to the start menu (or hit the windows key, samething) that you see the app tiles. Functionally it is literally the same, but with one big screen instead of a small start bar area. You start typing and it searches for you - just as with your regular start menu bar. [quote:bd5a174fb5] But all in all this does seem encouraging in that Sandboxie icons do have place in Windows 8, either as icons in the Metro grid, or the standard lower-right tray area in desktop mode. [/quote:bd5a174fb5] Yes, they appear automatically and you can move them around. [quote:bd5a174fb5] You're right, the start screen seems to replace the start menu, however it doesn't change the fact that it is very cluttered. The start menu we all love lists all your programs in a neat alphabetical list, with each program (and all it's shortcuts) consolidated into it's own folder in the start menu list. But in the start screen there is no organization, so it take's much longer to scroll to the program you want! [/quote:bd5a174fb5] Try to get used to it and realize taht you can search through literally anything in the start menu by just startin to type. You can also organize it yourself. It also organizes itself alphabetically if you hit "apps" (hit down button and enter to quickly do this) [quote:bd5a174fb5]Also the start menu lists your most used programs in the start menu, in order from most to least used so you usually don't even have to go to "All Programs" anyways, but not so with this new start screen. [/quote:bd5a174fb5] Yes, you can move tiles around however you like. There are a few limitations that I expect to be removed, like adding a random .exe to it. [quote:bd5a174fb5] Also because there is no "normal" start screen, there are tasks you can't perform now, or it takes longer to perform. For example, right now click Start, right click Computer (or My Computer) and click Properties. [/quote:bd5a174fb5] I'm sure there's a fairly simple way. There are lots of new shortcuts now. For example, windows key + e opens explorer. [quote:bd5a174fb5]Look at the new GUI, programs and API's, Windows 8 may be even harder than coding for previous builds of Windows![/quote:bd5a174fb5] Actually the API looks really nice from what I've seen. If you watch Microsoft talk about it they show programs on Windows 7 literally being copied (source) and pasted over to Windows 8. They add something like 3 lines and it runs perfectly. I realize people never like UI changes and Metro seem slike such a radical change, but you really just have to understand that the tiles page is literally your start menu and that's it. I see it so rarely and when I do use it it's so much easier. HungryMan: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72504#72504 Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:24 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72504#72504 You can install sandboxie through compatibility mode just fine. It just crashes if you try to launch it =p I personally am loving Windows 8. It needs some polish/ bugfixes but I like the UI and I can't wait for the new filesystem. tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72494#72494 Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:37 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72494#72494 ]]>Quoting SnD: ]]>I don't blame you for waiting this time, especially when it involves Windows 8! Look at the new GUI, programs and API's, Windows 8 may be even harder than coding for previous builds of Windows! ]]> Just by briefly reading about it, it seems like the Metro thing is just an ecosystem of .NET/Silverlight/Javascript apps, and these platforms/frameworks generally work under Sandboxie. So my hope is that the traditional/desktop stuff will work the same as on earlier Windows, once I adjust the internals of Sandboxie specific to a particular version of Windows. But I won't be surprised if it turns out to be more complicated than that... SnDPhoenix: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72493#72493 Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:53 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72493#72493 ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>From what I read in another article, apparently the idea with the start button displaying the Metro grid rather than the start menu, is to get you to put your shortcuts/programs on the Metro grid? So rather than the current workflow of click Start button -> select something from Start menu, you click Start button -> select something from Metro grid. What do you think? The Sandboxie Start menu items appearing on the Metro grid (per your last screenshot) also seems to reaffirm this point. But all in all this does seem encouraging in that Sandboxie icons do have place in Windows 8, either as icons in the Metro grid, or the standard lower-right tray area in desktop mode. ]]> You're right, the start screen seems to replace the start menu, however it doesn't change the fact that it is very cluttered. The start menu we all love lists all your programs in a neat alphabetical list, with each program (and all it's shortcuts) consolidated into it's own folder in the start menu list. But in the start screen there is no organization, so it take's much longer to scroll to the program you want! Also the start menu lists your most used programs in the start menu, in order from most to least used so you usually don't even have to go to "All Programs" anyways, but not so with this new start screen. :( Also because there is no "normal" start screen, there are tasks you can't perform now, or it takes longer to perform. For example, right now click Start, right click Computer (or My Computer) and click Properties. Now do that with this new "start menu".... exactly. ;) ]]>Quoting tzuk: ]]>Probably won't rush to make Sandboxie compatible with Windows 8. I did that with Windows 7 beta and spent time to adjust all the undocumented stuff to a particular Windows 7 beta build and then a later beta build came along and shuffled everything around and I had to redo the work. So I learned my lesson and will wait a bit this time. :-) * * * Finally as for speed, it might be an unoptimized debug build so people could help them troubleshoot stuff. I'm just guessing about this, I have no idea. ]]> I don't blame you for waiting this time, especially when it involves Windows 8! Look at the new GUI, programs and API's, Windows 8 may be even harder than coding for previous builds of Windows! :shock: tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72481#72481 Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:07 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72481#72481 Nice pictures SnD. From what I read in another article, apparently the idea with the start button displaying the Metro grid rather than the start menu, is to get you to put your shortcuts/programs on the Metro grid? So rather than the current workflow of click Start button -> select something from Start menu, you click Start button -> select something from Metro grid. What do you think? The Sandboxie Start menu items appearing on the Metro grid (per your last screenshot) also seems to reaffirm this point. But all in all this does seem encouraging in that Sandboxie icons do have place in Windows 8, either as icons in the Metro grid, or the standard lower-right tray area in desktop mode. Probably won't rush to make Sandboxie compatible with Windows 8. I did that with Windows 7 beta and spent time to adjust all the undocumented stuff to a particular Windows 7 beta build and then a later beta build came along and shuffled everything around and I had to redo the work. So I learned my lesson and will wait a bit this time. :-) * * * Finally as for speed, it might be an unoptimized debug build so people could help them troubleshoot stuff. I'm just guessing about this, I have no idea. ssj100: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72475#72475 Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:30 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72475#72475 I wouldn't count Windows 8 out yet - I'll reserve judgement until the public Beta is out. Until then, Windows XP all the way haha. Unfortunately by 2014, I'll have to move to Windows 7 or 8 (or 9?). SnDPhoenix: Re: The AAAAHHHHHHHHH! starts now http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72473#72473 Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:51 am http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72473#72473 ]]>Quoting D1G1T@L: ]]>My first thought is "where the heck did the start menu go?!?" It seems that Microsoft accidentally the whole UI on this one :shock: :? :x :roll: ]]> Yeah, the photos don't do it justice, you literally have to experience how painful it is to navigate around the OS and perform the simplest tasks. :? ]]>Quoting D1G1T@L: ]]>I can see a pattern emerging where you have one really good OS, that everyone uses for 5-10 years followed by a meh one. Its like they screw it up on purpose so everyone complains and looks forward to their next iteration to save the day :lol: Observe: [size=18:be7368f2b4][color=green:be7368f2b4]Win95[/color:be7368f2b4][/size:be7368f2b4]/[color=red:be7368f2b4]Win98[/color:be7368f2b4]/[size=18:be7368f2b4][color=green:be7368f2b4]Win2k[/color:be7368f2b4][/size:be7368f2b4]/[color=red:be7368f2b4] ME[/color:be7368f2b4]/[size=18:be7368f2b4][color=green:be7368f2b4]XP[/color:be7368f2b4][/size:be7368f2b4]/[color=red:be7368f2b4]Vista[/color:be7368f2b4]/ [size=18:be7368f2b4][color=green:be7368f2b4]Win7[/color:be7368f2b4][/size:be7368f2b4]/Win8 ]]> Agreed. With MS, usually every other OS sucked, but Windows 8... my god, it's basically unusable! I mean, at least all previous iterations of Windows from 95 to Windows 7 all had the same layout, whether they were bad or not. Windows 8 just takes everything that was bad about Windows and exemplifies it in one OS, and to add insult to injury, they completely redesign the layout for Windows 8 too! :shock: ]]>Quoting D1G1T@L: ]]> So a few questions: Did you get this thru a leak or official channel? What is bitbox from your last shot, is this a preinstalled app? What is the performance of this version, is it bloated or faster than win7? ]]> 1. I got it from http://dev.windows.com :) 2. I'm not sure what bitbox is, but it is included by default. I didn't try clicking it though cause alot of the "tiles" don't work, atleast in my case. 3. It's hard to tell cause I tested it inside a VM (with VirtualBox) instead of natively, but compared to how Windows 7 feels in a VM I would say Windows 8 is slower as a whole. Though the fancy effects (like switching from the start screen to classic desktop, or clicking on a tile) are at least smooth. :P ]]>Quoting Buster: ]]>I hope Microsoft includes a GUI for men. ]]> I'll just stick with Windows 7 if this is the crap they're gonna pull. ;) ]]>Quoting D1G1T@L: ]]>It seems Microsoft are increasingly targeting the 'Mac demographic' ]]> I don't think they're targeting Mac users. I have a Mac and it's nothing like Windows 8. Instead, I think MS just lost their mind, or they're targeting insane asylum patients, maybe both? :lol: D1G1T@L: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72472#72472 Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:57 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72472#72472 ]]>Quoting Buster: ]]>I hope Microsoft includes a GUI for men. ]]> It seems Microsoft are increasingly targeting the 'Mac demographic' :lol: [img:bba7bfd915]http://i.imgur.com/M9bUs.jpg[/img:bba7bfd915] Buster: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72471#72471 Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:37 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72471#72471 I hope Microsoft includes a GUI for men. D1G1T@L: The AAAAHHHHHHHHH! starts now http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72467#72467 Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:02 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72467#72467 Thanks for the screencaps SnD :D My first thought is "where the heck did the start menu go?!?" It seems that Microsoft accidentally the whole UI on this one :shock: :? :x :roll: I can see a pattern emerging where you have one really good OS, that everyone uses for 5-10 years followed by a meh one. Its like they screw it up on purpose so everyone complains and looks forward to their next iteration to save the day :lol: Observe: [size=18:a20fd79939][color=green:a20fd79939]Win95[/color:a20fd79939][/size:a20fd79939]/[color=red:a20fd79939]Win98[/color:a20fd79939]/[size=18:a20fd79939][color=green:a20fd79939]Win2k[/color:a20fd79939][/size:a20fd79939]/[color=red:a20fd79939] ME[/color:a20fd79939]/[size=18:a20fd79939][color=green:a20fd79939]XP[/color:a20fd79939][/size:a20fd79939]/[color=red:a20fd79939]Vista[/color:a20fd79939]/ [size=18:a20fd79939][color=green:a20fd79939]Win7[/color:a20fd79939][/size:a20fd79939]/Win8 So a few questions: Did you get this thru a leak or official channel? What is bitbox from your last shot, is this a preinstalled app? What is the performance of this version, is it bloated or faster than win7? SnDPhoenix: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72466#72466 Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:04 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72466#72466 Yeah, you're right, Sandboxie installer checked my Windows version and refused to install, but it worked when I set compatibility mode to Windows 7. :) Unfortunately though, the driver wouldn't start correctly. :( Anyways, as for some pictures of Windows 8.... Here's the Sandboxie Messages window telling me the driver won't start correctly [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/Gy1Ri.png[/img:bfed7f871e] Also here's the new Start Menu in Windows 8... [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/Bx0q6.png[/img:bfed7f871e] As you might imagine, it's extremely hard to open programs on Windows 8... Actually, I'm not even sure what the "correct" way of opening them is? I'll show you what I mean (this will also give you a chance to see the GUI). I find that if you hover over the start menu (you can't click it or it brings you to the start screen) and then click "Search" from the "Start menu" you see above, a green window will slide out from the side. [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/uO9vM.png[/img:bfed7f871e] Then you can scroll down the list and click "Apps". [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/yx0SH.png[/img:bfed7f871e] Then type in what you're searching for... [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/pCx3o.png[/img:bfed7f871e] Finally click it to open and here it is. [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/TanCg.png[/img:bfed7f871e] Also here's that "Start Screen" with nothing changed. [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/HtmhX.png[/img:bfed7f871e] I also discovered that if you scroll all the way to the right, it shows Sandboxie icons for some reason (maybe this is where apps you've installed go?). [img:bfed7f871e]http://i.imgur.com/OoHfP.png[/img:bfed7f871e] I have to say though, I'm not impressed. As I suspected, MS focused too much on the tablet when designing Windows 8 and even forced the "Tablet GUI" onto us, even in the "Classic" mode we're all used to, I mean where's the start menu we all love? Using Windows 8 feels like having to relearn Windows all over again, only now you have to also learn a touch oriented "tablet interface" as well, while trying to balance two different GUI's in one OS! :shock: tzuk: http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72464#72464 Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:57 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72464#72464 I don't think it would work, the driver in Sandboxie checks for specific versions of Windows. But would be interesting to see some screenshots of Windows 8. :) SnDPhoenix: Sandboxie on Windows 8! http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72461#72461 Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:59 pm http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=72461#72461 Hello guys! As you may know, yesterday the Developers Preview (or pre-beta as they also call it) of Windows 8 was released. The interface is obviously a lot different, and the OS contains a lot of changes "under-the-hood" so I'm not sure if Sandboxie will function well, or even at all, but I have Windows 8 downloading now and then I'm gonna try to find the time to test it out and when I do, I'm going to try also testing Sandboxie on Windows 8! I'll let you know if it works correctly or not, hopefully it'll give us a good idea of what the final build of Windows 8 will be like. :P